{"id":1037,"date":"2021-06-11T18:53:50","date_gmt":"2021-06-11T18:53:50","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/courses.lsa.umich.edu\/michigan-voices\/?page_id=1037"},"modified":"2021-06-11T18:53:51","modified_gmt":"2021-06-11T18:53:51","slug":"s2e5-transcript","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/courses.lsa.umich.edu\/michigan-voices\/s2e5-transcript\/","title":{"rendered":"S2E5 Transcript"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Through intergroup dialogue I had a realization that I wouldn&#8217;t do that if I were a man.<br>Understanding how to transform ourselves in order to transform the world. Just because I don&#8217;t<br>feel that sense of like trauma does it mean other people jobs and I started to realize that the<br>privilege that I had a quote of not having to you skip few value creativity if you value innovation if<br>you value looking long and longer-term Trends not just short-term deliverables and short-term<br>profits that you&#8217;re looking to create something that is sustainable for the long-term then you<br>need diversity hi there this is Hope Crystal Let&#8217;s begin with B in my story of why I believe in our<br>group dialogue is incredibly powerful and I&#8217;ll started during my sophomore year under one<br>specific class when we were talking about high school and I had a major aha moment at the<br>beginning of every semester I remember talking to my friends and classmates about what<br>classes I was taking for the upcoming semester I would always sign up for the highest classes<br>when I would tell classmates what classes I was taken and then say I would say that to not<br>sound like I was sort of full of myself and I got great grades although I was really hard working<br>class Intergroup dialogue I thought but I say this if I were a man what I justify my Advanced<br>course load by saying oh but I&#8217;ll probably drop one and the answer was no I wouldn&#8217;t Society<br>smarter and that men are supposed to be taking the higher classes and this realization really<br>helped me recognize this equality about my intelligence that&#8217;s small change in behavior that I<br>recognized dialog class is the true power of Intergroup dialogue today I will be speaking with<br>several people in order to help shed light on what is Intergroup dialogue next I talked to her a<br>you a code facilitator of the white racial identity group to get her take on what Intergroup<br>dialogue is so are you can you tell us to you essentially a space for really for students to be able<br>to to come into a space to Dialogue on a specific topic here perspectives learn critical<br>Consciousness learn steps to take afterwards in active but in different communities talk about<br>the social issues that they may not have had an opportunity to talk about previously really<br>understand their social role and their how their identity in perspective please into into that issue<br>were into that conflict with their talking about were you just threw out a lot of important social<br>justice terminology like critical Consciousness and active Ali Hood let&#8217;s all take a step back let&#8217;s<br>start off simple why does Intergroup dialogue matter why does diversity matter and Professor<br>Chris Mueller from the Ross School of Business to get a business take on the value of diversity<br>find the value of Intergroup dialogue and diversity to be that if you value creativity if you value<br>innovation if you value looking long and longer-term Trends not just short-term deliverables and<br>short-terms profit but you&#8217;re looking to create something that is sustainable for the long-term<br>diversity you need a diversity of perspectives because if it&#8217;s something tangible like a product<br>that you&#8217;re developing and you&#8217;ve got people with common background some perspective very<br>likely to program blind spots or features into it that will push away meaningful segments of<br>customers because you didn&#8217;t have that representation of the tape things Chris so clearly<br>diversity is important 14 but what happens when there&#8217;s a lack of diversity having a bunch of<br>people who think the same way as efficient having a bunch of people with similar backgrounds<br>and similar experiences who think of a similar way I&#8217;ll be at the highly-trained potentially very<br>smart lots of expertise the lack of diversity if it if there&#8217;s a homogeneous form of thinking it&#8217;s a<br>very efficient they&#8217;re likely to speak the same language they&#8217;re likely to communicate with each<br>other and be very productive they&#8217;re also likely to come to the same conclusions and therefore<br>be very efficient in their work but not very interesting and not very creative and it&#8217;s it&#8217;s a policy or<br>a practice or an organizational structure rather than That suit our needs because our needs are<br>and if you want to build a team in organization that has creativity that has the ability has the<br>ability to anticipate the needs of tomorrow instead of just needs of today then you need to have<br>diversity of representation in order to point out the blind spots that we all have and that we all<br>bring to a conversation Chris shares that diversity and Intergroup dialogue is important because<br>it feeds creativity and long-term stocks now that we understand a little bit more about the how<br>does the Intergroup dialogue program actually Define dialogue abroad definition of dialogue is<br>that facilitated learning experience over sustained. Of time to understand and explore let&#8217;s hear<br>a little bit from Maya a student in the white racial identity group to hear about what was her<br>experience like going into a group very interesting to walk in this class all the same, I know there<br>are so many differences is country labels you as soon as I&#8217;m not 40 now I&#8217;m not black like<br>there&#8217;s this is all I have and it was so interesting cuz I&#8217;ve never really had that experience was<br>very eye-opening to see green levels of Lake identities even though it was all like a white class<br>that&#8217;s really interesting and helpful to hear Amaya was there anything during your class that<br>really Reef Ranger your view of the world and you of whiteness white supremacist who is it was<br>such a big deal because they know they&#8217;re public institutions targeting history and and I<br>remember being in that class and I&#8217;m thinking very in my mind logically Michigan coming for him<br>know but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s their place to not have them come what is logically like morally correct I<br>guess and I remember this girl she was Jewish and she was very adamant very strong you<br>know it&#8217;s kind of like an argumentative like you&#8217;re having these conversations in this<br>conversation I began to like take away and realize oh I think because of my weight is my<br>understanding that you know all these systems and stuff because serve to protect me and you<br>know other white folks but then you have a white supremacist she&#8217;s like very anti-semitic he&#8217;s<br>coming to campus and How Deeply that can expect you or is it it wasn&#8217;t expecting me so why<br>why should I care if he comes or not Amazon that moment and in that conversation I began to<br>very much realize that while like I understand how something as simple as someone coming to<br>have a talk upholding freedom of speech out like deeply traumatic that can be so and I think that<br>applies to not only Jewish people to anybody really I think that was a big takeaway for me was<br>just because I don&#8217;t feel that sense of like trauma does it mean that other people don&#8217;t and I<br>started to realize that end in like the privileged that I had for them quote of not having to give up<br>incredible and I think that is something that speaks to the power of Intergroup dialogue like<br>when else would you have an experience like that where you&#8217;re in a classroom people with a<br>bunch of different identities talking and being open about their perspectives on a topic and being<br>able to have a major take really. Of racial strife and conflict on many college campuses in the<br>United States Intergroup dialogue brings together 12 to 18 people from two or more social<br>identity groups are supported by a curriculum effective and behavioral dimensions of learning<br>are chosen to the composition of their dialogue for example a dialogue involving men and<br>women would have one male and one female facilitator igr or Intergroup relations at the<br>University of Michigan is divided into several sections into one of several groups including<br>sexual orientation and white racial identity now that we know a little bit more about Intergroup<br>dialogue let&#8217;s learn about white racial identity group beginning Community getting comfortable<br>and then we go into Hot Topic specifically in our group like I said we&#8217;re talking about this is not<br>topic but what type of way right side sew-in Hot Topics we talked about affirmative action know<br>when you&#8217;re born it&#8217;s a different patterns we fall into and all time for unconscious of these<br>different belief systems that were apart of and starting to mitigate those biases is the<br>internalized and when black people are killed in instant block before killed in the street and the<br>social contract is that the police are supposed to protect not broken social social contract so<br>looting and rioting is completely acceptable. So moving in Friday night is completely acceptable<br>and next steps for people on what that looks like and what really being an effective active Ally<br>looks like you mention critical Consciousness what is critical Consciousness so a lot of what we<br>do is awareness-building I&#8217;m going to use my group specifically just because we talking about<br>privilege so what what do we do with that privilege if we become just aware of that privilege we<br>don&#8217;t learn how to like Leverage a privilege to serve whiteness we&#8217;re not we&#8217;re not being active<br>with that we&#8217;re not doing anything with it so it&#8217;s really important with critical Consciousness that<br>we are conscious we are critical of that we are critical of the systems that play into this that feed<br>into These Arms of stomach issues social work on the racism and we are doing things to work<br>with this privilege we are aware and Reggie Keating a lot of work teaching our participants and<br>we&#8217;re teaching ourselves as how to leverage that white privilege was there and were utilizing its<br>help marginalized communities you mentioned the cycle of Liberation what is that there&#8217;s four<br>stages the first stages kind of need to know what other getting to know your specific topic<br>second is kind of driving into it more third is Hot Topics in Forest really creating action points<br>from the program because dialogue is a form of social change people don&#8217;t necessarily ways<br>but there&#8217;s a lot to it cool so Intergroup dialogue is a form of social justice the Value Inn in a roof.<br>Understanding how to become Scholars of belonging like that slowly quote from Adrian Brown<br>and moving towards transformative jostes like I said not just being a part of a system heartbeat<br>and allies a white person how to really really work towards that and not just changing your<br>profile on Instagram or writing a or donating because it&#8217;s not that&#8217;s not where it ends and I think<br>it&#8217;s where people got it kind of mixed up because it&#8217;s not really all I have is a verb so and it&#8217;s also<br>talking about these issues and understanding that we may not all be in agreement on certain<br>things but I think that coming to see different perspectives on these issue Really Alex is a verb<br>so and it&#8217;s also talking about these issues and understanding that we may not all be in<br>agreement on certain things but I think that coming to see different perspectives on these issues<br>and has Fates well space with all white people was really transformative for a lot of people what<br>would you say to someone you know from this class from what you&#8217;ve learned from leading at<br>what are the things that people should be doing there&#8217;s a lot of things the first thing is honestly<br>for a lot of people joining a dialogue is a first huge stuff that&#8217;s a huge part of social change and<br>people aren&#8217;t always necessarily aware of $20 during different perspectives different lived<br>experiences listening being being present and not taking up space that&#8217;s a huge part of being a<br>huge part of learning how to be an ally it&#8217;s it&#8217;s about learning to mess up but changing your<br>actively changing her behaviors afterwards not having it as a reply repetition and just posting on<br>the internet like kind of like mindlessly I want to say that it&#8217;s always my list but I think that that&#8217;s<br>an easy way for a lot of people it&#8217;s about doing things in being apart of actions and not seeking<br>recognition for it that&#8217;s huge it&#8217;s committing to doing your own work without seeking recognition<br>zorawar it&#8217;s asking questions about the system weather that&#8217;s your you&#8217;ve been whitewash your<br>education or other ways as well asking yourself why certain things by certain systems are the<br>way they are the answer to a lot of it is systemic racism it&#8217;s about building relationships and<br>friendships with people who aren&#8217;t white but not having a p and tokenizing relationship that&#8217;s a<br>huge huge piece and a lot of people are like I have a black friend or Latino friend and that that&#8217;s<br>not where it ends it&#8217;s also being present surround yourself with different identities but not like I<br>said have it as a token of satient at all and anyway redistributing resources so redistributing<br>money leadership electing people of different Present yourself with different identities different<br>social identities different racial identities and a really having decision-making power finally beat<br>by person and not all white with joining a dialogue you started out this episode by talking about<br>why Intergroup dialogue is incredibly powerful to me where I highlighted my aha moment<br>regarding gender Norms in education in high school well let&#8217;s under by how Intergroup dialogue<br>continues to constantly impact me in a positive way my social justice education through<br>Intergroup dialogue has come full circle from the beginning of college to my senior year I&#8217;ll do<br>my learning from Intergroup dialogue comes through in many aspects of my life when all<br>encompassing experience was this year when I was pure coaching a female student, cheer<br>coach I&#8217;ll never forget when I was doing a mock interview with a female student and she raised<br>a concern to me that she was nervous that she sounded overconfident full of herself in an<br>interview I remember taking a pause in that moment and I asked her would you have this<br>concern if you are a man she answered no question help the student to reframe reveal stinking<br>in an interview to highlight her key experiences and accomplishments for what they are great<br>successes that she can share this is just one of many times intergroup dialogue has helped me<br>make a positive difference in someone&#8217;s life it was a 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